From synchro!judge-owner at uu6.psi.com Thu Apr 20 03:53:56 1995 Status: O X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] ["30807" "" "20" "April" "1995" "02:19:08" "EST" "JudgeNet Administrator" "judge-owner at synchro.com" nil "693" "JudgeNet Digest #1025 (Apr 20, 1995)" "^Date:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: by judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.2) with X.500 id DAA02399; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 03:53:53 -0400 Received: from goodman.itn.med.umich.edu by judgmentday.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.12/2.2) with SMTP id DAA02394; Thu, 20 Apr 1995 03:53:52 -0400 Received: from uu6.psi.com by goodman.itn.med.umich.edu with SMTP id AA28333 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for spencer at umich.edu); Thu, 20 Apr 95 03:53:49 -0400 Received: from synchro.UUCP by uu6.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.071791-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA11828 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 95 03:39:16 -0400 Received: by synchro.com (smail2.5) id AA22275; 20 Apr 95 02:19:08 EST (Thu) Reply-To: judge at synchro.com (JudgeNet) Errors-To: judge-error at synchro.com Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <9504200219.AA22275 at synchro.com> Date: 20 Apr 95 02:19:08 EST (Thu) From: judge-owner at synchro.com (JudgeNet Administrator) To: judge-recipients at synchro.com (JudgeNet Recipients) Subject: JudgeNet Digest #1025 (Apr 20, 1995) JudgeNet Digest #1025 Thu 20 Apr 1995 JudgeNet The Beer Judge Digest digest submissions: judge at synchro.com administrative requests: judge-request at synchro.com send cancellations & rank updates to the administrative address messages sent to the wrong address will be ignored FTP Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu in /pub/judge WWW Archives: http://guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu/Beer/Judge Gopher Archives: guraldi.hgp.med.umich.edu Editor: Chuck Cox Archivist: Spencer Thomas Publishers: SynchroSystems and the Riverside Garage & Brewery Anti-Prohibitionists may also be interested in LiBeerty: The Libertarian Beer Digest Subscription info: libeerty-request at synchro.com Contents: AHA Program? ("Kieran O'Connor") Re: happy birthday (uswlsrap) Re: happy birthday (PAOLINOP) Regional Contacts (Chuck Cox) First round numbers down (Lowell Hart) Confessions of a point who^H^H^Hmonger (bickham) Official Independence ("Rad Equipment") Official Independence Time:11:38 AM Date:4/19/95 MJ's palate (Ed Westemeier) Whine Judges? (DocsBrew) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Kieran O'Connor" Subject: AHA Program? If I'm not mistaken, yesterday was the AHA's withdrawal from the BJCP. By this time they were going to have a program in place. Details anyone on "Planet Beer?" Also I agree with Bill Giffin--I metioned the "sanctioning" aspect of AHA events to some of the BJCC members. The AHA should have to pony up sanctioning dollars in the future if it wants points recorded for the judges. If the AHA does have its own program, then it probably won't really care, and the BJCP would accept points. If, however, the AHA has no judge program, as it looks like now, it will be forced to pay the BJCP for sanctioning for not only the nationals, but also the club only competitions. This year's nationals are a freebie, next year the AHA should have to pay up to the region in which the 1st round and other rounds are given. If it doesnt sanction, I would guess it would be tough to get judges to judge. Kieran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Kieran O'Connor koconnor at mailbox.syr.edu Syracuse, N.Y. USA In vino veritas; in cervesio felicitas. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 10:21:42 EDT From: uswlsrap at ibmmail.com Subject: Re: happy birthday Greetings, all! At the risk of being flamed for sending excerpts from personal email without permission (gee, that's two days in a row for someone who is usually VERY conscientious about checking first :-)....well, Al will understand the joke), here's my brother's view on this competition scam we're all running in clubs across the continent. We've been found out :-) (I guess he won't be sending us any of that porter he's no doubt been inspired to brew by the style series book I sent him.) ....................................................................... Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: PAOLINOP at guvax.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: Re: happy birthday To: uswlsrap at ibmmail.com Hi Bob, > ...or is that beerthday. > > P.S. check your mail Thanks. I got the flyer from your club. It took me a while to figure this out, but now I see it clearly. Not only do you ask people to send you three bottles of free beer, but you ALSO ask them to send enough money that, with two entrants, you can buy a 6 pack of something really good. What a club! I should pay you guys to drink my beer!!??? (Not that I'd expect anyone to pay to drink my beer, but you get the point.) You sure that your club's president's last name is Gelly and not MacKenzie? (Ey, hoser, let's form this club. . . Better than trying to get free beer by stuffing mice into empties.) (remainder deleted) Of course, his TWO-entries-pays-for-a-good-six-pack rule is based on Madison's reasonable entry fees. I hear the AHA is running the same scam nationally, except that a _single_ entry fee will buy you a _really, really_ good six pack, or a couple bottles of Boon or Cantillon. ;-) Now go have a beer, Bob Paolino / Disoriented in Badgerspace / uswlsrap at ibmmail.com - ---THE INTERNET: Hardwiring the neurons of the global brain:--- One geek at a time.... - --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 16:02:30 EST From: chuck at synchro.com (Chuck Cox) Subject: Regional Contacts In order to help the regional judging programs get started, I would like to publish a list of regional contacts which will hopefully get reprinted in club newsletters. I think that such contacts could act as nucleation sites to help get the regional organizations off the ground. If you or someone you know are willing to act as the initial contact for establishing a judging program in your region, please contact me at chuck at synchro.com. Volunteers should be willing to have their address, phone number, fax number, and email address publicized and should be willing to organize volunteers and communicate with judges in their region. Basically, you would be responsible for coordinating communications within your region for a few months, at least until the region is organized enough to select a replacement. By the way, the unofficial/unauthorized/provisional regional database system should be online next week, but we still need a database administrator for the Gulf Coast. - -- Chuck Cox SynchroSystems / Riverside Garage & Brewery - Cambridge, Mass. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:00:57 -0700 From: Lowell Hart Subject: First round numbers down Howdy, Well ,we checked in the last of the beers for the Werstern Regional first round, and I'm sorry to say that entries are way down. We have just under 450 entries, down probably 150 from last year. As the hobby has grown a bit since last year, it is strange to see that fewer people entered in this large region. Unfortunately, there may be some good in this. This is because we only have 17 confirmed judges for the event. That's right, here in the state with (what was it yesterday) 179 BJCP judges in good standing, we can't even get two dozen people to commit to a national event. Last year at this time we had 60 judges coming, so even with no-shows we had enough judges. So, maybe fewer beers to judge is a good thing. The upshot of all this is that a bunch of my buddies in the San Joaquin WortHogs are going to judge beers. We may not do it well, as few of us are certified, but we will get it done. We're trying like hell to avoid using 2-man panels, but we may not have a choice. It seems as though those who advocated boycotting the AHA contest have won out. While I received assurances from some of the locals that this was not going to happen, their good words and efforts were in vain. I still have not met anyone who admits to advocating a boycott, but the excuses offered to our Site Judge Director (Bill McCrory) when he did follow-up phone calls are apparently rather lame and often contradictory. I should hasten to point out that JudgeNet has given us lots of support. Not only have I heard from net-types within the state, but I have had contact with a couple of judges who are coming from Arizona and Washington, well beyond our usual drawing area. Those who I have had contact with as a result of this forum have been very enthusiastic and helpful. I know that we have a couple of other JudgeNet denizens who are involved in other Regionals. Are y'all having as much trouble as we are? We've improved the judging room, its location, and our Saturday evening social event, yet the response has dropped dramatically. Go figure. Lowell Hart San Joaquin WortHogs Raketenflugplatz, Fresno lhart at cati.CSUFresno.edu Landline: Contact Julian Bencomo at Bencomo's Homebrew Supplies, (209) 237-5823 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:17:05 -0400 (EDT) From: bickham at msc.cornell.edu Subject: Confessions of a point who^H^H^Hmonger I took the BJCP exam for the first time almost exactly 3 years ago, after being introduced to beer judging at the IBU Porter and Stout competition. My first judging flight consisted of 13 imperial stouts, but with Pat Baker as my partner and guide, we were easily able to come to a consensus on the top three beers. Since then, I've been involved with over 20 competitions and have collected a total of 42 BJCP experience points. I admit that, at first, I was motivated by both the points and the increase in experience that came with then. Yes, I was a point whore ;-) But now I travel to just as many competitions, but plan my roadtrips around visits to other events or people in the area. For example, my parents moving to Houston makes it worth scheduling a visit there the same weekend as the Dixie Cup. I've seen posting where judges have claimed to spend lots of money ($250 for judging at the first round of the AHA Nationals?) to get those precious points. With so many competitions offering beds for brewers and with all of the contacts we've made through the internet, I don't see how this can happen. 8 of the competitions I've organized or judged have been within 2 hours driving distance. Another 6 have involved overnight stays at hotels, but in those cases, my room was shared with either my wife or other judges. The rest have also involved overnight stays, but friends or other beer judges (thanks to Jim Busch, Charlie Gow, David Klein) have put me up. As a result, my total cost per BCJP point is on the order of $20. Not that I really keep track, since brewing and judging homebrew is a hobby. I've made weekend roadtrip ever since I could drive, so it's great that I can make them for the noble purpose of evaluating homebrews. If I get a point at the same time, it makes it that much more rewarding. Auf ein neues, Scott - -- ======================================================================== Scott Bickham bickham at msc.cornell.edu ========================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1995 15:35:13 U From: "Rad Equipment" Subject: Official Independence Subject: Official Independence Time:11:38 AM Date:4/19/95 Beginning today, April 19, 1995 the BJCP will operate as an independent entity, severing all sponsorsip ties with the AHA and the HWBTA. The BJCC is continuing to operate the BJCP according to the interim by-laws below. The primary tasks of the BJCC being to 1) hold an election to choose regional replacement delegates to fill the voting positions on the BJCC and 2) to maintain the functional aspects of the BJCP by scheduling, administering, and grading exams; updating the database; and promoting judges. The election schedule is as follows: May 15, 1995: Nominations Close. All nominations must be received by this date. June 1, 1995: Regional ballots issued. June 21, 1995: Election Closes. All votes must be cast by this date and ballots recieved by the regional election volunteers. July 4, 1995: Election results announced, Delegates installed. Nominations will be accepted by both the BJCC and the regional election volunteers. Please send correspondence to: BJCP c/o Celebrator Beer News PO Box 375 Hayward, CA 94543 If you wish to schedule an exam contact: Pat Baker PO Box 81 Keene, NH 03431 603-355-3359 74443.3040 at compuserve.com - ---------- BEER JUDGE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM INTERIM COMMITTEE RULES / BY-LAWS Adopted March 30, 1995 These by-laws will remain in effect for the interim period during which the BJCP is reorganized and converted to a program independent of either the AHA or the HWBTA. INTERIM: The duration of the period for reorganization will be no longer than one year. If new by-laws are not adopted at the end of the year the BJCP shall cease to exist unless an extension is approved by the majority of participating judges in the program. During the interim the by-laws titled "Beer Judge Certification Program, Committee Rules/By-laws" which were approved in June, 1989 and revised on February 21, 1995 shall remain in effect with the following exceptions: - All references to the original program sponsors (AHA & HWBTA), their appointments, and exofficio seats on the Beer Judge Certification Committee (BJCC) shall be ignored. - The seven (7) voting member seats of the BJCC shall remain filled by those existing appointees who wish to remain seated until such time as they can be replaced by delegates elected by the participating judges in the program on a regional basis. The US and Canada will be divided into seven regions each of which will chose a representative to serve on the BJCC during the interim. - The BJCC shall select a voting committee member to serve as Chair. - The positions of Co-directors, Associate directors, and Program Administrator shall be filled by appointees of the BJCC. - Vacancies on the BJCC will be filled by appointment by the Chair with approval of the majority of the remainder of the BJCC. - A temporary mailing address and bank account shall be established for the duration of the interim. - Records of the business conducted by the BJCC and the historical records of the BJCP shall be maintained by the Chair and passed to succeeding Chairs. - Records of the exams given during the interim will be maintained by the Co-directors. PRIMARY TASKS and GOALS: The primary task of the BJCC during the interim will be to hold an election for delegates to fill the seven voting seats on the committee. Every effort should be made to complete this election by the 4th day of July following the adoption of these interim by-laws. Once an election has been held the committee will focus on the creation of new by-laws which will define the structure of the future BJCP as a democratically represented, independent entity. These by-laws will be completed and presented to the participating judges of the Program for approval by vote no later than one year from the adoption date of these interim by-laws. THE BEER JUDGE AND CERTIFICATION PROGRAM COMMITTEE RULES/BY-LAWS Approved: June 1986/Revised: February 21, 1995 I. PURPOSE AND AUTHORITY: The American Homebrewers Association, Inc., (AHA) and the Home Wine and Beer Trade Association, Inc., (HWBTA) have agreed to establish the Beer Judge Certification Program (BJCP). A. The Purposes of this Program are to: 1. Recognize and promote beer appreciation and evaluation, through educational activities which may include but not be limited to: publications, events, competitions, and examinations. 2. Recognize and promote socially responsible use of beer as an alcoholic beverage. 3. Set standards for program participants. B. The authority granted to this program are: 1. The Beer Judge Certification Program shall be governed by the Beer Judge Certification Committee (Committee). 2. The Presidents of the AHA and HWBTA shall appoint an equal number of members from their respective organizations to serve on the Committee. 3. The Presidents of these organizations shall serve as ex-officio members of the Committee. 4. The Committee shall adopt, review, revise, and approve by-laws to fulfill the mission statement of the BJCP. 5. The Committee shall be responsible for the financial and strategic planning of the Program. 6. Three delegates to the BJCC shall be elected from the pool of active BJCP judges by same. The BJCC Chair may fill vacancies to these seats by appointment, with approval of the majority of remaining BJCC voting members. 7. All exofficio members of the committee will be non-voting. II. Beer Judge Certification Committee: A. The Committee shall select a Committee member to chair the Committee, a member to serve as Secretary, and a member to serve as Treasurer. The Chair will be assumed for a period of one year from July 1 through June 30. B. The Committee shall meet at least once a year and such meetings shall be in person, by telephone or other telecommunication, or by mail. C. In all matters of procedure not otherwise herein provided for, "Robert's Rules of Order, Newly Revised" shall prevail in all meetings of the Committee. D. Decisions of the Committee shall require a majority vote of the Committee membership. E. Records: 1. Records of meetings and actions of the Committee shall be maintained and communicated to both parent organizations. 2. Permanent records of meetings shall be maintained in the offices of the AHA. F. Program Staff: 1. Administration of the BJCP shall be carried out by program Co-Directors, one representing each parent organization, program Associate Directors, an equal number from each parent organization, and by a Program Administrator. The Co-directors, Associate Directors, and Program Administrator shall be appointed by the Committee upon recommendation of the Presidents of each respective parent organization. 2. The Co-Directors, Associate Directors, and Program Administrator shall be ex-officio members of the Committee. 3. The Program Administrator may be an employee of either parent organization. G. No individual may serve as an exofficio member of the Committee and hold a voting position simultaneously H. A member of the Committee will be appointed Secretary for each meeting. Minutes will be provided to the membership promptly for their review and correction/acceptance. III. Staff Responsibilities: A. Program Directors: 1. Conduct and/or authorize beer judge and beer appreciation and educational events, including examinations. 2. Tests will be scored by the Co-director who schedules the test, the other Co-director shall either confirm the scores or designate an associate Director to do so. Disagreements between a Co-director and Associate director may be referred to the other Co-director. Once scores are agreed to, they shall be forwarded to the Program Administrator. 3. The Directors shall thereupon grant or deny recognition or certification status to the applicant. 4. The Directors shall prepare standards of conduct for Judges and judging procedures. 5. The Directors shall define the requirements for and levels of achievement for recognition and certification. 6. The Directors shall carry out such other responsibilities as are designated by the Committee to fulfill the Mission Statement and Program purpose. B. Program Administrator: 1. Maintain records of competitions and examinations. 2. Notify examinees of test results. 3. Maintain the Program financial records. 4. Receive requests for examinations and other events and notify the Directors thereof. 5. Receive complaints/grievances against competition organizers, judges and stewards and notify the Directors. 6. Coordinate BJCP publicity efforts. 7. Carry out such other responsibilities as directed by the Committee or the Program Co-Directors. C. Associate Directors: 1. Assist in the scoring of exams as detailed in III A 2. 2. Carry out other responsibilities as directed by the Committee or the Program Co-directors. IV. Recognition and Personnel: A. The voting members of the Committee, Co-directors, Associate Directors, and Program Administrator (Personnel) may not increase their level of recognition under the Program while active in any of the above official capacities. B. During the term of service to the Program, the Personnel shall continue to accumulate experience points. C. The Personnel shall be recognized as "Honorary Master Judges." V. Status Publication: The name, status, city, and state of residence of program participants may be published by either parent organizations. Other information about participants may not be published. VI. Requirements for Recognition and Certification of Beer Judges: A. LEVELS OF BEER JUDGES: An individual's level of certification is determined by two factors: exam score and experience points earned through sanctioned competitions. 1. RECOGNIZED BEER JUDGE: A person who has scored a minimum of 60% on the judge certification examination, but who has not completed the other requirements for certification. 2. CERTIFIED BEER JUDGE: A person who has scored a minimum of 70% on the judge certification examination and has accumulated five experience points. 3. NATIONAL BEER JUDGE: A person who has scored a minimum of 80% on the judge certification examination and has accumulated 20 experience points. 4. MASTER BEER JUDGE: A person who has scored a minimum of 90% on the judge certification examination and has accumulated 40 experience points. 5. GRAND MASTER JUDGE - FIRST DEGREE: A person who has scored a minimum of 90% on the judge certification examination and has accumulated 100 experience points and who has performed a period of service for the BJCP to be determined by the Co-directors on an individual basis. a. Additional degrees, second, third, etc., can be earned in 100 experience point increments with additional service requirements to be determined by the Co-directors on an individual basis. b. Master Judges are automatically eligible to fulfill the service requirements at any time. Other judges may fulfill the service requirement at the discretion of the Co-directors. 6. HONORARY MASTER JUDGE: A temporary designation by the Committee of a person whose skills in the appreciation and evaluation of beers are widely acknowledged. B. EXPERIENCE POINTS: Candidates for recognition or certification as a beer judge will receive and accumulate experience points according to the following schedule: 1. A Steward will receive one experience point at the national competitions, one-half point at large regional competitions having 75 or more entries, and zero points at recognized small regional competitions having less than 75 entries. 2a A Judge will receive two experience points at national competitions, one point at recognized large regional competitions having 75 or more entries, and one-half point at recognized small regional competitions having less than 75 entries. 2b. Effective March 1, 1994, in accordance with Sections VI-B-9 & 11, judges participating in "first rounds" of National competitions and competitions with at least 500 total entries shall receive 1 point for the first session attended and .5 points for each subsequent session with a limit of 1.5 points per calendar day and a total limit of 3 points for the event. Any judge who participates in all sessions of a National competition at a single site shall receive the total maximum allowable points (within the calendar and event limits), regardless of the total number of sessions judged at that site. 3. A Best-of-Show Judge will receive five experience points at the national competitions, two points at recognized large regional competitions having 75 or more entries, and one point at recognized small regional events having less than 75 entries. Best of Show points may be awarded only in competitions which receive at least six entries in each of at least five different classes or styles of beer. A competition organizer may not submit experience points for more than one best-of-show judge for every 25 entries, with a limit of four best-of-show judges. 4. A minimum of one-half of the experience points for judge certification must be judging experience points. 5. The organizer of a national or regional competition shall receive experience points according with the following schedule: ENTRIES POINTS 500 or more 10 300 or more 7 150 or more 5 75 or more 3 Less than 75 2 The organizer may allocate his experience points to members of his competition staff, in increments of 0.5 points. 6. For any one competition, only one point category will be allowed for an individual--steward, judge, or organizer. a. Effective January 1, 1990, a Steward, Judge or Best-of Show Judge may receive up to one experience point allocated by the organizer, as provided in section V. B. 5. b. Effective September 1, 1990, a Steward, Judge or Best-of-Show Judge may receive up to one experience point as an assistant organizer, as provided in section V. B. 10. 7. Effective March 1, 1994, for any one competition, points may be awarded to individuals from different categories (ie. judging, stewarding, BOS, or organizing) provided the total points awarded to an individual do not exceed the calendar or event limits for the competition. 8. Competitions must be recognized by one of the sponsoring organizations. 9. A test administrator shall receive one-half point for exams with 4-6 test takers, one point for 7-11 takers, and two points for exams with greater than 11 test takers. Effective for exams given since April 1, 1989 the administrator may allocate experience points to those who help proctor the exam, in increments of 0.5 points. a. Administrator points may be docked or not allowed by the Co-Directors if the administrator does not score the tests and get them to the directors within two weeks of giving the exams. b. Program directors may not earn administering points. c. Exams given prior to June 1, 1988 shall receive points according to the above schedule. d. Effective for exams given since April 1, 1989 the administrator may allocate experience points to those who help proctor the exam, in increments of 0.5 points. 9. Effective July 1, 1989, Judges and Best-of-Show Judges at a National Competition having judging sessions that take place on different calendar days will receive experience points according to the following schedule: a. Judges at national competitions will receive two experience points for judging one session and one-half experience point for additional sessions up to a limit of three total points for one event. b. Best-of-Show Judges at national competitions will receive five experience points for judging the best-of-show session and one-half experience point for additional sessions up to a limit of six total points for one event. 10. Effective September 1, 1990, the assistant organizer of a national or regional competition shall receive experience points according to the following schedule: ENTRIES POINTS 500 or more 5 300 to 499 3 150 to 299 1 Assistant organizer points may be allocated between different assistants in 0.5 point increments. 11. National Competitions: a. Each parent organization may submit best-of-show experience points for only one National Competition per calendar year. b. Each parent organization may submit National experience points for any number of events providing each event is part of a single competition culminating in the best-of-show described in VI B 11 a. Each event must be differentiated from the others by registration, either by mailing address, or registration of one event must start after all judging at the same location has finished. 12. Effective July 29, 1993 Judges at extra-large regional competitions having 500 or more entries will receive 0.5 experience point per judging session, but not less than 1 experience point for the event. In any case, a maximum of 1 point per calendar day of judging and a maximum of 2 experience points for the event shall apply. C. JUDGE ACTIVITY: If no experience points have been earned at the end of the two-year period, the judge will be put on an inactive judge list until experience points are earned. After two years on the inactive list, he will be terminated from the program. D. JUDGE RECERTIFICATION: A judge whose Recognition or Certification has lapsed may re-apply for Recognition or Certification to the Beer Judge Certification Committee. E. It is not intended that program participants derive economic benefit from their participation status by charging fees for their services as judges, or in any other way. VII. "Trademark": A. No participant in the program shall allow the Program logo, the names BJCP, B. J. C. P., or Beer Judge Certification Program to be used in any way without the consent of the committee. VIII. Committee Discipline: A. The Administrator or either Co-director may bring to the attention of the Committee any complaint regarding the conduct of any participant. The Committee may, by majority vote, reprimand or remove from the program any Judge who demonstrates conduct that is contrary to the goals of the program. Russ Wigglesworth (INTERNET: Rad_Equipment at radmac1.ucsf.edu - CI$: 72300,61) UCSF Dept. of Radiology, San Francisco, CA (415) 476-3668 / Home (707) 769-0425 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:25:25 -0400 From: hopfen at iac.net (Ed Westemeier) Subject: MJ's palate I was amazed at the number of people who responded to me via e-mail to the effect that (as Tom Leith put it) "not even Michael Jackson has Michael Jackson's palate." Oops, OK, OK, you're right. Still, ya gotta give the guy credit for what he does and how well he does it. Ed ****************************** * Ed Westemeier * * Cincinnati, Ohio * * E-mail: hopfen at iac.net * * Phone: (513) 321-2023 * ****************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:46:01 -0400 From: DocsBrew at aol.com Subject: Whine Judges? Wow. I'm pretty new to JudgeNet, but I've certainly been "baptised by fire." The flames you guys aim at the AHA are surely burning somebody's butt. I've received _all_ the mail from the AHA regarding their position on the BJCP(BJCC), and I think they're doing a good job so far. So they don't want to share with the Wine org. We're beer folks here! I don't even like wine!! And I especially don't like the whines I've heard here! Climb on down, you guys. Don't panic. The AHA'll handle this thing just fine, and if they don't then someone (maybe one o' you!) will take it over and make it right. And you'll get all your points, too. Remember....it's just a game. Dare I say it........I even enjoy "zymurgy!" Liquid food for thought. Doc. "Chiropractic, Like Gravity, Works Whether You Believe In It Or Not." ------------------------------ End of JudgeNet Digest ************************