Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.35]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11804 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.144.90]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01663 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:06:18 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 01/17/99 - 01/18/99 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:03:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Digest for the period 01/15/99 - 01/16/99 (Lyle C. Brown) --Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC82595CC1A; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:53:24 -0500 >From root Sun Jan 17 11:52:00 1999 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA27133 for postmaster at synchro.com; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27092 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DY689F5X; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:52:18 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:40:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 01/15/99 - 01/16/99 Message-ID: <19990117.115251.-298273.0.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,10-11,14-18,20-76 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: beerking1 at juno.com (Lyle C. Brown) Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message At the risk of BJCP bashing, which I don't want to do, I must agree with Bill on all his points. The BJCP reporter was originally supposed to be a quarterly publication, and many of us PAID for this the first year, during which we got ONE issue. Not only are we short numerous issues, many judges have been RIPPED OFF, paying for something they never got, a which was given away before the paid for issues were ever delivered! Timeliness seems to be an issue as well. I acquired enough points for National last June, but none of those points have appeared on my record yet (3 competitions are missing) and I have recieved no notification of my change in status. BJCP does alot of good things, and is the best we got. The answer is not to scrap it, but if the organization adhered to its own rules, things would be much better. Lyle C. Brown National??? Judge On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:04:09 -0500 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: >Table of contents >------------------------------------------------------ >By Laws (Bill Giffin) > >-------------------------------------------------------- >From: Bill Giffin Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:09:36 -0500 >Subject: By Laws > > > > >Good afternoon All, >Below are a bit of the bylaws. >3.12 Open Meeting Rules >The minutes of all board meetings and business, with the exception of >personnel matters, shall be available for inspection by any Regular >Member.The Secretary shall cause them to be published in The BJCP >Reporter >in a timely manner. >Has anyone seen any minutes of any meeting of the Directors of the >BJCP? I >haven't! As to the BJCP Reporter that rag was to be published >quarterly. in >just about three years we have received 4 issuses. Seems to me that >we are >about 7 to 8 issuses short. WHY?? >The Treasurer shall cause the preparation and presentation of >semiannual >reports to the Board of Directors in conjunction with the >informational tax >and asset reports, and will cause such reports to be appropriately >published >, shall prepare annually for adoption by the Board of Directors a >budget >that covers all program areas of the BJCP, and shall assure that BJCP >funds >and assets are not used to endanger the nonprofit tax exempt status of >the >BJCP or to violate any law, the Articles of Incorporation, or these >by-laws. >In three years the membership has only seen one report from the >treasurer. >In three years we should have seen at least five, perhaps six. The >way our >directors have acted the board of directors have endangered the >nonprofit >tax exempt status of the BJCP in that they haven't filed the required >tax >returns and required filings to the IRS. >Where are we? Have we acquired tax exempt statis? >Bill > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86-- Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (root at srvr22.engin.umich.edu [141.212.2.35]) by srvr5.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA11804 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from synchro.com (cccox.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.144.90]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA01663 for ; Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:06:18 -0500 (EST) From: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" To: "Digest Recipients" Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Subject: Digest for the period 01/17/99 - 01/18/99 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 01:03:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hops: 1 Status: RO --Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of contents ------------------------------------------------------ Re: Digest for the period 01/15/99 - 01/16/99 (Lyle C. Brown) --Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: Received: from postoffice.harvard.net by synchro.com with POP3 (Mailtraq/1.0.3.1018) id SYNC82595CC1A; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:53:24 -0500 >From root Sun Jan 17 11:52:00 1999 Received: (from root at localhost) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) id LAA27133 for postmaster at synchro.com; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:52:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from x13.boston.juno.com (x13.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.27]) by airsupply.harvard.net (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27092 for ; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:51:34 -0500 (EST) Received: (from beerking1 at juno.com) by x13.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DY689F5X; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:52:18 EST To: JudgeNet - the beer judge digest Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 11:40:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Digest for the period 01/15/99 - 01/16/99 Message-ID: <19990117.115251.-298273.0.beerking1 at juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 2.0.11 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 5-6,10-11,14-18,20-76 X-Juno-Att: 0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: beerking1 at juno.com (Lyle C. Brown) Reply-To: "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" Errors-To: judge-owner at synchro.com Sender: judge at synchro.com Apparently-To: judge at synchro.com X-Hops: 3 X-POST-MessageClass: 10; Mailing List Message At the risk of BJCP bashing, which I don't want to do, I must agree with Bill on all his points. The BJCP reporter was originally supposed to be a quarterly publication, and many of us PAID for this the first year, during which we got ONE issue. Not only are we short numerous issues, many judges have been RIPPED OFF, paying for something they never got, a which was given away before the paid for issues were ever delivered! Timeliness seems to be an issue as well. I acquired enough points for National last June, but none of those points have appeared on my record yet (3 competitions are missing) and I have recieved no notification of my change in status. BJCP does alot of good things, and is the best we got. The answer is not to scrap it, but if the organization adhered to its own rules, things would be much better. Lyle C. Brown National??? Judge On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:04:09 -0500 "JudgeNet - the beer judge digest" writes: >Table of contents >------------------------------------------------------ >By Laws (Bill Giffin) > >-------------------------------------------------------- >From: Bill Giffin Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:09:36 -0500 >Subject: By Laws > > > > >Good afternoon All, >Below are a bit of the bylaws. >3.12 Open Meeting Rules >The minutes of all board meetings and business, with the exception of >personnel matters, shall be available for inspection by any Regular >Member.The Secretary shall cause them to be published in The BJCP >Reporter >in a timely manner. >Has anyone seen any minutes of any meeting of the Directors of the >BJCP? I >haven't! As to the BJCP Reporter that rag was to be published >quarterly. in >just about three years we have received 4 issuses. Seems to me that >we are >about 7 to 8 issuses short. WHY?? >The Treasurer shall cause the preparation and presentation of >semiannual >reports to the Board of Directors in conjunction with the >informational tax >and asset reports, and will cause such reports to be appropriately >published >, shall prepare annually for adoption by the Board of Directors a >budget >that covers all program areas of the BJCP, and shall assure that BJCP >funds >and assets are not used to endanger the nonprofit tax exempt status of >the >BJCP or to violate any law, the Articles of Incorporation, or these >by-laws. >In three years the membership has only seen one report from the >treasurer. >In three years we should have seen at least five, perhaps six. The >way our >directors have acted the board of directors have endangered the >nonprofit >tax exempt status of the BJCP in that they haven't filed the required >tax >returns and required filings to the IRS. >Where are we? Have we acquired tax exempt statis? >Bill > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] --Next_Part_SYNC82735CC86--