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   I respectfully apologize for consuming bandwidth in this manner, but
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AK says,
 >>I think that the committee does need to readdress these styles
to correct the contradictions and ambiguity.<<
 =

As a whole they are in pretty good shape, in 29 pages there are
only a handful of ambiguities or things I question.
 My pet peave is I think CAP is the only lager that states
"no diacetyl allowed". I think diacetyl at threshold brings out the
corn character. Think about it, who doesn't butter their corn on the cob?=

 A recipe I have doubt about is for Rauchbier; a brewer that studied in
Germany say it is 100% rauchmalz maybe 5% caramel. Having never
been to  Bamberg I can't swear by that.
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fermant as an ale. Does that mean _with_ an ale yeast? a lager at
ale temperatures? Was there really an American light lager at the
turn of the century?
  Just a few things I wonder about since we are on that subject.
Like I said as a whole they are pretty nice.
If everyone was in total agreement on them it would probably mean
everyone had gone to sleep :-)

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I disagree with Al. Some fruit beers I have made have been based on a
particular style, such as a Raspberry Stout, etc. But, sometimes, I just
want to make a fruit beer. A beer with fruit predominating, no balancing
base style. I want the balance to be primarily fruit. This no longer fits
in the category. As example, I site my Chipotle Ale, which I felt
compelled to enter as a chipotle brown ale. I got scored off because not
enough of the brown ale character came through. The judges stated that it
might have placed if entered as just a Chipotle Ale, with no base style
specified. Think of Rogue's Mexicali Rogue (YUMM!), which I was modeling
my beer after. This commercial beer has no predominant base style, it is
simply a chpotle ale.

Lyle C. Brown
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> Re: Fruit beer and classic styles (BrewInfo)
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> From: BrewInfo  Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:12:00 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: Fruit beer and classic styles
> 
> 
> 
> Although this contradicts Dave's post on this subject, if I recall
> correctly (I was on the committee), the idea was to force the
> entrant to specify a classic style.  It appears that some text
> was left in that doesn't make sense given that requirement and
> there may have been some confusion regarding this issue (clearly
> Dave recalls our motives differently than I do... but that was
> many beers ago ;^).
> 
> I was in favour of removing the "Other" subcategory because it
> is far to easy for the entrant to simply brew a beer with fruit
> and enter it without specifying what base beer was intended.
> It also makes it harder for judges who are forced to judge strictly
> on "how they like it" or "how well the beer works."  Judging
> is supposed to be as impartial as possible and therefore more
> restrictive guidelines make it easier for judges to be impartial.
> 
> As it has been mentioned the hoppiness of a German Pils simply won't
> work with most fruit (maybe all fruit), so you, as a brewer, just 
> have
> to rule out that base beer.
> 
> I think that the committee does need to readdress these styles
> to correct the contradictions and ambiguity.
> 
> Al.
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   I respectfully apologize for consuming bandwidth in this manner, but
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from Chicago.
   I rebel at paying $84 a night for a hotel room by myself. I know
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AK says,
 >>I think that the committee does need to readdress these styles
to correct the contradictions and ambiguity.<<
 =

As a whole they are in pretty good shape, in 29 pages there are
only a handful of ambiguities or things I question.
 My pet peave is I think CAP is the only lager that states
"no diacetyl allowed". I think diacetyl at threshold brings out the
corn character. Think about it, who doesn't butter their corn on the cob?=

 A recipe I have doubt about is for Rauchbier; a brewer that studied in
Germany say it is 100% rauchmalz maybe 5% caramel. Having never
been to  Bamberg I can't swear by that.
 An ambiguity: Cream ales state a variation of American light lager
fermant as an ale. Does that mean _with_ an ale yeast? a lager at
ale temperatures? Was there really an American light lager at the
turn of the century?
  Just a few things I wonder about since we are on that subject.
Like I said as a whole they are pretty nice.
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I disagree with Al. Some fruit beers I have made have been based on a
particular style, such as a Raspberry Stout, etc. But, sometimes, I just
want to make a fruit beer. A beer with fruit predominating, no balancing
base style. I want the balance to be primarily fruit. This no longer fits
in the category. As example, I site my Chipotle Ale, which I felt
compelled to enter as a chipotle brown ale. I got scored off because not
enough of the brown ale character came through. The judges stated that it
might have placed if entered as just a Chipotle Ale, with no base style
specified. Think of Rogue's Mexicali Rogue (YUMM!), which I was modeling
my beer after. This commercial beer has no predominant base style, it is
simply a chpotle ale.

Lyle C. Brown
<beerking1 at juno.com>

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> ------------------------------------------------------
> Re: Fruit beer and classic styles (BrewInfo)
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> From: BrewInfo  Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:12:00 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: Fruit beer and classic styles
> 
> 
> 
> Although this contradicts Dave's post on this subject, if I recall
> correctly (I was on the committee), the idea was to force the
> entrant to specify a classic style.  It appears that some text
> was left in that doesn't make sense given that requirement and
> there may have been some confusion regarding this issue (clearly
> Dave recalls our motives differently than I do... but that was
> many beers ago ;^).
> 
> I was in favour of removing the "Other" subcategory because it
> is far to easy for the entrant to simply brew a beer with fruit
> and enter it without specifying what base beer was intended.
> It also makes it harder for judges who are forced to judge strictly
> on "how they like it" or "how well the beer works."  Judging
> is supposed to be as impartial as possible and therefore more
> restrictive guidelines make it easier for judges to be impartial.
> 
> As it has been mentioned the hoppiness of a German Pils simply won't
> work with most fruit (maybe all fruit), so you, as a brewer, just 
> have
> to rule out that base beer.
> 
> I think that the committee does need to readdress these styles
> to correct the contradictions and ambiguity.
> 
> Al.
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